Talk:Earth-Forty

This sounds like Earth-Two...and when has Captain Thunder ever been in shown in the Super Friends franchise?

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:42, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, BruceGrubb is just attampting to show us the various earths on this wiki instead of having us link to other wiki's. If that is the case, state that on the page... something like .. this is info on Earth-Forty and has nothing to do with the SuperFriends universe itself... or soemthing like that.

​Superman Fan (talk) 17:06, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

I'm just having a hard time finding the connection to the Super Friends franchise at all...other than the fact that it is a DC Comics property. Of course if it has a reason for being here then I'm all for it, I just can't find it in my research. Everything I read about it on the DC DATABASE came from DC Comics...not the Super Friends comics, just the mainstream DC comics.

--Noah Tall (talk) 18:09, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

The main connection is Giganta who reveals her Earth-Forty origin in Super Friends (comic book) issue #30 (March 1, 1980) rather then the origin shows in the earlier History of Doom.--BruceGrubb (talk) 23:33, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

History of Doom

What was shown in her backstory in History of Doom could have occurred later, sometime after her backstory shown in the Super Friends comic. That's even how her article is written, with both backstories being mentioned.

I hardly see that it's a reason to say that the Super Friends comics are from Earth-40.

--Noah Tall (talk) 08:19, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

No one is saying Super Friends comics are from Earth-40 but rather that Earth-Forty (which is a totally different reality BTW) interacted with the Super Friends reality (which is Earth-Thirty-Two).--BruceGrubb (talk) 14:41, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

Guess not

After looking at the Giganta article again I see that you changed it, why I don't know. There's no reason to say that it's another Earth, I can't understand that at all. Besides, hypertime can explain certain things that we may perceive as contradictions, that's one of the reasons I made that article.

Also, I looked up Earth-Forty on the DC Database and it doesn't show anything about the Super Friends comic. Just because she may have the same origin story, doesn't mean it's the same Earth, I mean the Park Row tragedy and the Destruction of Krypton and even the Origin of Superman happened on a variety of different Earths.

It's like this, sure...Joe Chill is in The Fear, but that doesn't mean he's the same Joe Chill seen on Earth-Two or Earth-One or in Batman Begins for that matter...he's clearly a different version of the character, we can't just assume that just because he may share some similarity with another universe that we should say that The Fear took place in that certain universe but the rest of the series didn't.

I'm all for continuity here, and I'd like to think that the Super Friends (comic book) and the animated television show are part of the same continuity. I realize it isn't perfect, but hypertime is good for clearing up that sort of stuff, and hypertime is another article I wish you would have kept as I left it, instead of overcomplicating it. But that's a different topic altogether (sort of...anyway) I am glad that you make edits on here, we're very small in numbers on this wiki compared to other fandom wikis, but I really think we should treat all of the material as the same universe, unless it is clearly indicated otherwise (like the Universe of Evil for example...which is clearly another Earth, and even the DC Super Friends would have to be another Earth as well) but as for the material from the SF and SP comics, I'd say those are solid canon gold right there, Earth-1A, Earth-Thirty-Two...or whatever you wanna call it, but part of the same Earth.

I also want to say, I don't know what DC Comics official designation is for every Earth there is and what they consider part of what world, but it's far simpler just sticking to it from the Super Friends perspective, as that is what this wiki is supposed to be. DC and Marvel both have a tendency to revive or retcon their stuff, which were only listed, not actually canonically established. (in other words these are things shown on a list rather than established in the story itself) Also they are contradictory, the very Compendium you use as a source is apparently full of inconsistencies as noted here. They even mention the Super Friends comic, stating that something should have been part of that Earth but the Compendium falsely places it on some other Earth. Furthermore, the DC Database even notes that the Compendium is wrong about what Earth, the Super Powers comics are from, and DC Database have it listed as the Super Friends reality, rather than Earth-Thirty-Two. I don't mind using 32 as the name of the SuperFriends Universe, that isn't the issue, just as long as everything from the Superfriends franchise is part of the same Earth...including the SF and SP comics.

Now that being said, I still think that the backstory given in the Super Friends comic is just as canon as the one from History of Doom. What I'm trying to say is that we should write the article to say that the part of the backstory where she is an ape, turning into a woman, should be first chronologically, then later as she is riding horseback through the woods she comes across the magic powder to make her large. That way, we treat both stories as a valid part of continuity...it makes sense...plus we don't have to go through the headache of all that hypertime or multiverse stuff...at least with this issue...make sense?

--Noah Tall (talk) 08:59, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

Well DC didn't give names to every alternate Earths they showed. There were quite a few that Crisis on Infinite Earths: Absolute Edition didn't record. Then there is the mysterious Earth-Forty-Six which also had the name Earth-B2.

When you compare Superman Family Vol 1 202 with Superman (volume 1) #61 which are both supposed to happen on Earth-Two you quickly realize they can't...unless hypertime caused Superman to misremember the color of the gem (green rather then red) or distorted reality when the events happened (so a green gem was red). Either option is better then creating yet anther Earth.

Hypertime explains a lot of the continuity problems with the Superfriends stories as continuity is a tangled mess. History of Doom is the poster child of just how much a mess:

Because it makes references to previous events the story's very premise has huge continuity problems. Between the two of them both the Legion of Doom and Superfriends had the means to undo Luthor's blunder: the Interspacial Time Conveyor built into the Hall of Doom, the Monolith, the mental matter ray (turn any thought into instant reality), and the time travel abilities of Flash, Batman, and Black Vulcan. Heck, if the Legion of Doom had really been as evil as they were supposed to be they could have used the device that allowed the Hall of Doom to travel into another universe and escape, leaving the Superfriends and everybody else on the doomed Earth. Sinestro also had a way into the Anti-matter universe.

Trying to explain that piece of insanity is more work then it is worth. Same thing is true with Giganta. Just have a hypertime reality interface with the Superfriends reality and call it a day.

As for putting the Superfriends on another earth, all the notes on Crisis on Infinite Earths: Absolute Edition says is they weren't listed not they were assigned to some other Earth. In fact the talk page refers one to an image of the Compendium's list.

I should mention that the Essential Wonder Woman Encyclopedia (2010) puts DC Super Friends on Earth-508 so it is canon that it and the 1970s-1980 Superfriends are on two different realities. EWWE (2010) confirms that Superpowers (show and comics) occurred on Earth-Thirty-Two but for some insane reason puts Superfriends in the Earth-One reality and ignores Earth-Forty entirely. Finally, in 2015 EWWE got an update but what changes were made are unknown.--BruceGrubb (talk) 14:59, November 17, 2017 (UTC)

The fact that the Superfriends and Legion of Doom could have reversed everything that happened in History of Doom isn't even relevant. The fact is they didn't. That is an established canon fact, not that I brought that up to begin with.

I'm not even sure what it is you're trying to tell me, I'm fully aware that DC Super Friends and Super Friends are different Earths. But I'm not convinced that the Super Friends comic you refer to is from Earth-Forty, and as I said, we had already had the Giganta article written in such a way that both backstories could be canon. The Gorilla transformed into a woman thing had to come first, then the rest of her origin was in History of Doom. That's how the article was originally written. We were never concerned with the fact that one origin was on another Earth.

My point is, Earth-Forty comes from DC Comics, and it was never referenced in Super Friends. If we're honestly going to go by the premise of every single episode or SF comic, then we could probably find a way to say that every episode is on another Earth.

For example, how many times has Superman forgotten he has super powers? Or what about when Wonder Woman's unbreakable lasso actually breaks? I like to think her lasso is unbreakable...to most people...just like I'd like to think that Superman is invulnerable...to most people. But of course he really isn't, because people as strong as him can still hurt him.

The series doesn't always conform to logic. We can just assume that it's part of the flaws of the Super Friends universe, rather than assume it's another universe.

--Noah Tall (talk) 03:56, November 18, 2017 (UTC)

I have no idea where you are getting this idea that the comic story itself is from Earth-Forty; it is referencing events of Earth-Forty. Big difference. As mentioned before Hypertime is a great continuity issue cement without invoking yet another freaking Earth. As for Super Friends comic referencing events of Earth-Forty; AFAIK there are only two origins for Giganta presented Pre-Crisis: the Earth-Two version in Wonder Woman Vol 1 #9 and the Earth-Forty version in Wonder Woman Vol 1 #163. True you could fudge things given the ambiguity of the 1941 referenced in Secret origins of the Superfriends as Wonder Woman Vol 1 #9 was published in 1944 and use that origin but that creates other problems as Earth-One didn't have a Spear or Grail to prevent supers form going in and ending WWII in months perhaps weeks.--BruceGrubb (talk) 12:22, November 18, 2017 (UTC)