User talk:Superman Fan

Holy crap Batman! I thought you had died!!
Glad to see you're still with us...by us I mean me.

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to by beyond the Earth-1A universe. A lot of the pages that have been made have been by vandals and I can't delete the pages. We have pages like the Falcone Family, which obviously doesn't belong here, and most of the pages like that don't even have material on them. Actually I just hate it when a page has no content.

And as for those Super Amigos comics you showed me, I just used those because they carry the "Super Friends" name. They are technically Portuguese reprints of DC Comics set in the mainstream DC Universe, but I just figured we should use them since they carry the name. The DC Super Friends is technically not of the Super Friends Earth either but it does have Super Friends name.

Just to name a few, characters such as Ugash, Sonar, Ra's al Ghul, Bane, Ch'p, Unknown Soldier, Grim Reaper and Shaggy Man have been either shown in a Super Friends/Super Amigos/Super Powers/DC Super Friends comic, they had their own action figure in one of the toylines, they appeared in some other tie-in product, or they were referenced at some point.

I thought you had given up, so I just decided to take it upon myself with certain things like the Latin American comics. I thought, why not? They have the name, so I just went for it. And I remember we had decided to use the comics, such as any comic that was referenced in the Super Friends comic book, such as the Justice League series. Obviously not the entire series, but just the issues referenced. But the realization is that at times comics that are referenced are "part two" of certain stories, and so to me it's only logical to include part one as well, and if there's more parts to the story, then those issues as well.

Am I going beyond Earth-1A by doing this? Maybe, but even the Doctor Who wiki has pages for the comics, audio dramas etc., which very often times contradict the television series. Plus, on the Super Friends side of things, there's no major if any contradictions with the comics vs. cartoon...even in the comics that might not be considered canon. Memory Alpha is strict about what they view canon, but that's just about the only one. But sure, it's all conjecture...I'm not gonna deny that, I just don't really think it's too big of a deal since the show is long over now anyway, and it's pretty certain there will never be any new material anyway. The thing about Doctor Who is that there is still new material, nevertheless, they still use other media such as books and comics on the Tardis Wiki.

Let me know what you think though. I'm not gonna deny it though, it would be massively upsetting to me if we have to delete that stuff. Countless hours went into a lot of it, and I still had more plans for building. I had even added to the SuperFriends: Manual of Style to explain what I felt should be canon. And actually, I even think that the Batman series should be canon as well, especially because it has Adam West and Burt Ward and I now have the complete series on Blu-Ray.

But anyway, whatever we do, we have a bunch of pages with no content that have been made, such as Falcone Family, Harvey Bullock and others. --Noah Tall (talk) 21:09, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

You are right about the templates, I had forgotten on several occasions, and yes I should mark them. As for too many pages, what makes you say we have too many pages? Memory Alpha and Tardis Data Core have like 40,000 articles. The Super Friends Universe is waaay bigger than Smallville, and a little bigger than DCAU. But even then, the DCAU is still under construction, just like most wikis.--Noah Tall (talk) 21:21, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Seasons
I'm the one who changed the seasons as well. They were not correct, Season 5 is the 1980 Shorts and Season 6 is the 1981 Shorts.

There are nine total seasons of Super Friends. You can look here. Technically on this wiki, because of The Best of the Super Friends, we have Ten seasons listed. But that was not actually new material and not actually season 7, I named it as such so that we could connect all series, but in any case, having Season 5 and 6 be the last two seasons makes no senses. --Noah Tall (talk) 21:31, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Okie Doke
Yeah, I follow, I knew there would be issues on other pages that were intended to be linked to said season, but I figured I'd get around to fixing them eventually.

Yes, quality is important, and I know I kind of suck at it. It's mainly because I want to put so much on here, without taking enough time. I'll try and slow down and focus more on fixing the pages we already have and deleting the ones we don't need.

--Noah Tall (talk) 21:58, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Right on...and it is good to have you back bro.

--Noah Tall (talk) 22:06, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Deleting articles
The only thing I see there that really might need to be deleted is kill. It's just a redirect page for death. The other pages are actual articles. Gorilla? That page shows you a list of all the gorillas in the SF Universe. Those are named characters. Plus gorillas are apes so why would we delete that?

Also, I created the kill page just for simplicity purposes, and you'll find that deleting it will create dead links everywhere. Forests have been referenced in dialogue and shown on screen. There are even named forests, Amazon Rainforest etc. There are links to those in the article. (In fact, that image in the forest article is from an episode where the narrator actually says "the forests.")

If you could take a look at some of these pages, and you'll see what I'm trying to accomplish, without just looking at the name. If you look at the articles, such as automobile, wild-goose chase, Old West, traffic, crime...just to name a few, articles like that, which may seem worthless to you, are actually written from the perspective of the Super Friends universe. For example, if you go to the automobile page an click on car, you'll see the Jokermobile, Batmobile and Riddlermobile listed there. Wild-goose chases are used a ton of times in Super Friends, and each instance is listed there, at least up to the point I've got to. I'm really only editing up to the episode The Ultra Beam, I'm still making my way through the series, and I'm not totally done with the ones before it, I still need the mistakes articles and casting information and basic stuff like that but most of the story stuff is finished.

There are a lot of pages that need work, and some of them I still haven't figured out the greatest way to deal with them. But I think deleting every page that isn't a proper noun seems a bit biased. I feel that if it's in the Super Friends universe, why shouldn't there be a page for it? Sure, every page should be made with the Super Friends in mind, and you might notice, that on certain pages about real world stuff referenced in Super Friends, I don't give too much details about it, (at least I haven't lately) just what pertains the show. For example, if you look at the Ice Age and Deep-sea diving gear pages. Very little details is given about the real world ice age, mainly just how it was referenced in the show. Also, the deep-sea diving gear page was so named because it's what it was referred to in the episode by dialogue. But you'll notice the Wikipedia article in the External Link is called "Standard diving dress." I didn't use that name, because it wasn't used in the episode.

I do have a few pages that I need to polish, such as the Gettysburg Address page, which really doesn't say much in relation to the Super Friends series or as you say to paraphrase, "doesn't contribute to the overall goal of this wiki." But I definitely don't think it should be deleted. Just polished or streamlined or whatever. In fact I think I'll take care of the Gettysburg Address page right now. A lot of the pages you may not like, I'm actually pretty proud of. Some of them really need work, not denying, and yes, they should have been treated well in the first place, but I still don't think they should perish. Earthling is another page I think is essential. What's so worthless about them? --Noah Tall (talk) 17:56, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

No worries...
I'm not worried, I was just trying to plead my case. Cool beans.

BTW I got a lot of stuff in the "To Be Deleted" section. I have to go somewhere now though, but I'll be back later.

--Noah Tall (talk) 18:28, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Super Friends name
I made those because they carry the Super Friends name. --Noah Tall (talk) 05:39, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

10-4
Works for me. --Noah Tall (talk) 19:58, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realize...
I only saw the most recent message.

I don't consider the Suicide Squad article to be conjecture, because it is taken from the DC Heroes RPG which was marketed as a Super Powers product.

You can see it on the Super Friends games page. I have actually used a lot of material from that, but we don't have a template for it. I do have the pages categorized "Category:DC Heroes" though...at least they are supposed to be categorized that way. The vandal categorized several pages he created with that category which wasn't correct. And the information from the history section is cited in the article. It came from one of the sourcebooks.

Other than that I think we probably should template them...a DC Heroes template and maybe a parody template would be good. I just don't know how to make templates. I also was meaning to tell you, but I never had a chance to, but we also need character templates, at least for some characters. Like in the template I think it should say "homeworld" instead of "home planet," since not all characters live on planets.

But yeah, I'll try and go though all those articles, if you make the templates, I'll be glad to place them. --Noah Tall (talk) 21:39, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think we really have to change it for all of them. I was just thinking about characters that were natives of moons, asteroids, or other stuff.

Naturally, Krypton is a planet, so I don't see why we would need to change Superman's template, same goes with Earth, so Batman's not nessasary either. I don't really see it being that big of a task, unless you want all of the templates for every character to match.--Noah Tall (talk) 22:18, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Ibac
I'll fix it. --Noah Tall (talk) 03:51, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hey dude
Right back at you man...I'm glad you back in the game. --Noah Tall (talk) 02:06, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Red Lanterns
Nothing...it's from the DC Super Friends, and we don't have a template for that. --Noah Tall (talk) 05:23, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Yes
He appeared in the Super Powers DC Heroes role playing game, as well as the fan film. All the Watchmen characters did.

He is categorized as "fan production character," but that's wrong, he should be categorized "DC Heroes." --Noah Tall (talk) 05:31, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Multiple realities
One suggestion I could make, if you don't like these pages like that, is a template for the top of the page called "Multiple realities." Memory Alpha uses it so that it's clear that the article is showing more than just what's canon for the mainstream reality, but also the mirror universe and other alternate timelines. Basically a template like that would make it clear that most if not all of the article is about a Parallel Universe. --Noah Tall (talk) 05:40, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Templates and stuff
These are the articles about the role playing game and fan productions:


 * DC Heroes
 * Fan productions

Just as an example of the multiple realities templates, check out the Star Trek wiki's page about automobiles. The template is on the top. I think we should have something like that for articles like Battery of power, since they come in many different colors, at least in the DC Super Friends universe. World War II is another article that should have a template like that, since it shows Earth-2A stuff as well as Earth-1A.

DC Super Friends is Earth-508. I think it should be used here because it has the Super Friends name, and a few years back we had talked about it and you liked the idea of adding it to the wiki.

Other templates:



Earth-508
This article is told primarily or in full from a setting perspective of the DC Super Friends reality.



Watchmen
This article is told from the perspective of the Watchmen Universe.

If I think of any others I'll let you know. --Noah Tall (talk) 17:54, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

I forgot...

Parody or fan production
This article is told from the perspective of a fan-made production, or from a parody of the Super Friends. It's position in the Super Friends canon is apocryphal.

DC Heroes
This article is told from the perspective of the DC Heroes role-playing game, that was a product of the Super Powers franchise.

The Spirit
Well, actually, that's about the biggest stretch of conjecture on this entire Wiki. We could probably do without it, the only thing is, I used him because the Central City shown in the Super Friends cartoon was more in line with his Central City then Flash's hometown.

It was stated to be a city on the coast, but the Atlas of the DC Universe tells it's in the landlocked state of Missouri. So we have a contradiction. I suppose we could just make one Central City page, and point out the inconsistencies in the notes, and then I suppose we could delete the Spirit page if you wanted to. It doesn't matter so much to me, I just was trying to make a rationalization. --Noah Tall (talk) 12:40, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Templates
Yep, they look fine to me. --Noah Tall (talk) 13:44, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Doomsday
As you can see, I have Doomsday categorized "Super Powers character," which it already was categorized. I recently changed it because originally it said "Fan production character" but when I learned of his Super Powers status, I changed that. The note in the article about an alternate reality wasn't sourced. I fixed that. --Noah Tall (talk) 02:53, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

His character bio is not necessarily right, and if I would have wrote that more recently I would have done it differently, as I'm constantly trying to do the in-universe perspective over the "conjecture based on the comics" perspective a whole lot more these days.

Also, unless we consider certain parts of the Super Powers franchise to be conjecture, then I don't see why that Doomsday page should be treated as conjecture. There is details about his place in the franchise that are missing but nevertheless he was part of it. What is you position on this?

Look above, I added more template ideas, I think such a thing would be helpful do the dubious nature of the DC Heroes RPG, which some like maybe even you might feel is apocryphal. --Noah Tall (talk) 02:59, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

Super Powers template
I wrote that article before you told me the toys aren't canon, I don't see why they wouldn't be, but if they aren't, that's fine, but I think we will need a Super Powers template for it.

Believe me, I want to fix all this stuff, you can check the recent changes in the last fifty days, it's not like I've been making a bunch of new pages, I have mainly been trying to fix stuff. I've marked pages as stubs, or for deletion, I've marked pages for conjecture. And I made the Superman Red page more than a year ago. I only just recently started adding stuff like external links, which I think this wiki benefits from, and other stuff like that. Yeah, I'm saying I'm better than I used to be but I'm not perfect, occasionally I will make some mistakes.

And at Memory Alpha and the Tardis Wiki, we only site the episodes, we don't put down the year. The thing is, I don't think it's really necessary, due to the fact that once the episode or show is clicked on, the airdate can be determined that way. That's what's so great about a wiki. If you don't know about something, you can always check the link. But I will go the extra mile to put the year. But, as an example, I want to know this; check this page: Solar Terrarium. Aside from the fact that the year isn't written, is there anything else in the article missing. If you were going to write the article, what would you have wrote in it. Also, check this one: Abraham Lincoln. Aside from the absence of the date, do you see anything wrong with that? I even got the external links.

But there is something I noticed that is missing from the Abraham Lincoln article. I failed to site that the information about the Gettysburg Address came from Professor Goodfellow's G.E.E.C., even though I do have it written that is the episode of his appearance, I failed to site it, I also failed to mention details regarding his appearance. I should have written about how Marvin and Wendy was watching him on the G.E.E.C. TV, but apparently I had forgotten. Also, I wrote a whole bunch of worthless information regarding who Lincoln succeeded and preceded, which is hardly relevant to the Super Friends.

Yes, I know, there is a lot that needs fixed. And a lot of stuff that I can't do without you. But I swear, I'm gonna try, I'm not trying to work against you, I just feel like I've been alone at this for a while, and I did make decisions without you. I apologize for that, I didn't know if you were coming back.

So I guess maybe we should have a template that says:

Super Powers
This article is written from the context of the Super Powers franchise. Some of it may be considered conjectural, particularly the DC Heroes RPG and other tie-in products.

Anyway, I'm gonna try hard to do better. Please tell me what you think of those articles about Solar Terrarium and Abraham Lincoln though, tell me if you agree with me about what I said about those two articles. --Noah Tall (talk) 06:07, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Deaths in the family
I am so terribly sorry to hear about that. I too have experienced some loss this year. It's actually been one of the worst years I've had but I do this and have recently started to study the bible to cope with all the pain, I lost my grandfather the same day that Leonard Nimoy died, and I've had other unmentionable things happen that's been pretty terrible. I won't burden you with the details though.

As for the other stuff, right on, I did actually make a Super Powers template, but it doesn't make the Category:Super Powers for some reason. I guess I don't know how to do that. I was going to make a Parody template, a Wildstorm template and something else but I can't remember. Anyway, sorry to hear about that once again. And thank you for the commendations.

--Noah Tall (talk) 23:54, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Greetings
First of all welcome back! Glad to see you're here....


 * "Its been while since I checked in. I'm sure you thought i'd never return."

Well I have wondered sometimes, but I understand about being busy.


 * "I made a few changes to the home page."

Just looked at it, good stuff...I certainly thought we needed that for a while but I just didn't know how, I couldn't even get Wally Burr's name to link and stuff like that.


 * '''"I'm still concerned with all the extra stuff.. makes navigation difficult.

I'll get to the pages marked for deletion soon."

I actually would delete if I had the ability; but I can't or don't know how. Anyway, I have blocked spam users but they just keep coming back you know how it is.


 * Have you thought about starting new wiki's ... one for filmation and one for ruby spears??

Honestly no, I think the only one that would be worth attempting would be the Filmation one, because there was only two Ruby Spears shows. I have no reason to believe they don't fit in right here, I even believe they are part of the same shared universe; especially Filmation. I even feel that the Adam West Batman show could fit into this wiki, and the only reason I've never put it on is because you were against the idea years ago.

I didn't feel it was any less valid than the other Saturday morning shows, but I realized it's probably better to stick with the cartoons; especially because that would just inflate the workload. And there's already a ton of that already.


 * In any event, let me know your thoughts.

At this point, and I'm always coming up with new ideas, but I have been trying to edit the episodes in order. Right now I'm on The Planet-Splitter; but it took me about two years to finish Gulliver's Gigantic Goof.

Unfortunately I'm pretty busy even more than I used to be, and my attention span can't hold out for long, I find myself taking a break from certain episodes and maybe editing something about some SF comics or the Cartoon Network commercials, depending on what I'm in the mood for, and then there's the DC Database, Tardis Wiki, Alien/Predator, and of course my favorite Memory-Alpha. And then of course I work nights and have a child to feed. But that's life.

Honestly I love fandom and I really love what I do here, and I don't know everything about what I'm supposed to do but I try to make the pages as good as they can be. I realize you may think there's a lot of junk in here, but I feel it belongs here because it's a Super Friends reference work. Take the page "brain" for example. Yes, it's a page about a brain. But if you look at it, and actually read it, (not saying you haven't) you will see that it's not just a page about a brain, but it's a page about a brain from the perspective of the Super Friends universe. It isn't supposed to be scientifically accurate; it's supposed to be about a brain as mentioned in the franchise. Memory Alpha and Tardis Data Core also have pages called brain; so what I'm doing is nothing unusual and certainly not new to Fandom. Even the Okudas wrote about everyday stuff like that in their reference works for Star Trek since way back in the eighties or so.

A big part of Super Friends was the education, and I feel that it's quite important to the wiki too, and if anything, I think it makes it that much easier to navigate the wiki. Stuff is categorized too. For example; practical joke and wild-goose chase are categorized under jokes; and so on and so forth.

I really don't see how it's difficult to navigate; even the episode pages themselves had, have or will have links to the pages. I have my limits; I won't just make a page that doesn't make any sense at all, there has to be a reason and I do want you to realize I'm not crazy. Also, a lot of the material I do have, such as retina; doesn't go into major detail about the real-world retina itself, unless it's mentioned in the episode. Check it out and you'll see what I mean, and hopefully agree.

--Noah Tall (talk) 13:07, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Quality
I don't know what all you have checked out, but these days; this is the quality I try to go for; whether it's character pages or pages about lettuce. Most if not all of these pages even have the episode referenced dated, which is what I have been striving to do due to something you once told me.


 * Kolbar: Pretty good example of what I'm trying to do with this wiki.


 * Brain: another good one...


 * Military: A work in progress, but it shows the different types of military that exist in the Super Friends universe; and since there are so many space faring civilizations there's more than just air force and army...it's a page that needed to be!


 * Science: Important within the superhero genre; which itself is a subgenre of science fiction and fantasy. There's a lot of different pages of various sciences and science related stuff, each categorized to where it goes.


 * Super power: A page with links to many pages about superhuman abilities.

Anyway, there's a lot of stuff in there I couldn't list it all but it's good stuff. Technically until every page could be considered a stub until the wiki is done...it's all a work in progress.

Edit: In fact I just fixed some of these pages I mentioned because they weren't up to my current standards.

--Noah Tall (talk) 13:20, September 20, 2017 (UTC)--Noah Tall (talk) 13:20, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Me again
Okay, so I looked at the page that BruceGrub did on Multi-Universes, and I have a few issues; I have no clue where this information came from for starters; and I also find it odd that he completely contradicts himself in this article. I don't really fully agree with either page though.

This was my version of the article, which BruceGrub changed. In the current Earth-Thirty-Two article, he mentions the hypertime concept, which refers to the distortions throughout time which could cause inconsistencies within the timeline thereby explaining how all of the franchise could fit into the same universe. But that other article you showed me indicates he has a different idea, saying that the Superman show doesn't belong.

Now here's the thing, we don't know what happened from 1985 to 1988, but Superman certainly knew that Luthor was bad in the '88 series. But at some point he got the public's trust, but not Superman's, I don't know how, and it's never explained, but that doesn't make it another Earth.

If you remember the 1996 Superman cartoon, Lex Luthor starts out as the corrupt businessman sterotype; then in Justice League he gets the warsuit and everybody knows he's a bad guy. That happened in season one of Justice League.

But then later he gets a pardon from the US Government for helping the Justice League stop the Justice Lords, then he's back to his corrupt businessman portrayal. And once again after that he's in the Hall of Doom...it was a roller coaster of an evolution of the character.

The second problem I have is this: trying to pretend that those shows are not canon just seems to complicate things a bit more. As you can see before my article was changed by BruceGrub I had actually went into that, how I was growing a bit fatigued at the idea of all of the different Earths. Also I was always under the impression you were all for the Filmation stuff. Take the page Kryptonian Space Ark for example; you'll see in the "History" and "Design" sections, that there was conflicting information given regarding that subject; but they were addressed, as I consider all of them to be canon equally.

I'd rather go with the hypertime idea then say that every contradiction means it's a parallel universe idea. (which as you see he does bring up...interestingly too, since it contradicted his article in Multi-Universes) But still, I'd rather not use either concepts and just write it like I wrote that Kryptonian Space Ark article. Rua also.

What did you have in mind though?

--Noah Tall (talk) 06:10, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Super Powers
I agree 100 percent that Super Powers is canon, I do not agree that the Ruby-Spears and Filmation shows are not.

--Noah Tall (talk) 11:56, September 22, 2017 (UTC)

Cool picture
Yep, that's Lightning Lad.

--Noah Tall (talk) 18:43, September 27, 2017 (UTC)

Green Lantern and Robin
Yeah, I know there's probably still a few or even quite a few links like that floating around; I did fix, and have been fixing links like that when I come across them, but haven't got around to all of it.

But those pages were not meant to be disambiguation pages. They were about exactly what they said they were about; Green Lantern, which is a name used by Intergalactic Space Patrolman of the Green Lantern Corps.

And Robin, which was a legacy carried by certain members of the Batman Family, namely Dick Grayson. You may have noted I also linked them to their respective pages on the DC Database. I'd rather not have the "(disambiguation)" in the article because I wrote those articles as real articles, not just a list of similarly named stuff.

--Noah Tall (talk) 13:35, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Green Lantern
Did you get my previous message?

As for the Green Lanterns, bear with me on this, you have to understand that I made those back when I was just all about getting pages made and wasn't too concerned about things like actually finishing them, as you can see I put "Coming soon!" in the "Appearances" sections which seemed to be a whole lot easier back then than making an entire article. I was just too unfocused at the time. (not saying I still ain't to a degree)

I'm hoping you realized that my attention to such details is much better now. But one thing I don't know if you have noticed, is that those pages are categorized, Katma Tui for example is categorized as a "Super Friends comic book character," which means she appeared in one or more of the comics. I'd have to do some digging to find out which one but that is where the image came from. The other image on her GL sector page is from a Super Amigos product...from Cromy I think. I'd have to look again but it is sourced. I don't think it's dated because I never could figure out when it came out but it's mentioned in the ref-note.

The image of Guy Gardner came from a DC Heroes sourcebook. If you look at the DC Heroes page, you'll see it was also a Super Powers product. Does that make it part of Earth-1A? I think it should be. Kilowog was in the Super Friends comics and the DC Super Friends. That image is actually from DC Super Friends, but his species page: Bolovaxian and his homeworld Bolovax Vik; those images come from either Super Friends or Super Powers comics. Not sure which but they should be noted in the ref-note.

Ch'p...same thing, he was in the comics, the Super Friends comics I think, but not sure...if he was categorized as a "Super Friends comic book character" than he was, but I don't remember if he was, we'd have to look at the page again.

It's not that I'm trying to neglect all these old pages, I've just been trying to get work done on the episodes individually. I realize it's a bit of mess, and I apologize for the untidiness.

--Noah Tall (talk) 14:04, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

I didn't write them in a real world perspective.

I don't suppose it matters that much, but I never thought of it as that type of page. I guess it is a disambiguation page in type; but it's also an in-universe article, that's why I don't think the (disambiguation) is needed.

--Noah Tall (talk) 14:08, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Seasons
This is the link click me!!, that's the only imput I've got, I actually changed that a while ago, based on what the DVD releases stated and that wikipedia article you got there.

--Noah Tall (talk) 14:32, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Wow
Hittin' her hardcore bro, excellent work man! I've been spending sometime at Memory Alpha here lately. Did you see the new Star Trek: Discovery yet? Or any of them? It's pretty impressive.

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:12, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Pages for deletion
They are not unnecessary. Consider this:

Memory Alpha - 45,000 articles.

Tardis Data Core - 60,000 articles.

DC Database - 100,000 articles.

Marvel Database - Nearly 200,000 articles.

Okay, probably not fair to bring up the DC and Marvel wikis, because there's so much material there, but still, a lot of stuff. And they actually do have articles that you wouldn't find on Smallville or the DC Animated Universe wikis.

What makes them unnecessary exactly? I'm not expecting Warner Bros. to come along and start making new material set in the Super Friends Universe, but if they did, just think of what they could do.

Many of the writers working on Star Trek right now often consult Memory Alpha, so as to adhere to canon. Lots of stuff could come up. We've been able to compile a lot of information together in order to make something coherent. For example, Atlantis in the Super Friends has been a bit confusing, but we made the article in a way that makes sense; without saying that one is more canon than the other, using the material from each episode that was presented.

You yourself was able to put together the Origin of Superman; which was shown three times in the series and once (in part) in the Ruby-Spears show. And it actually made sense. I find that consulting something like that makes things much easier to understand. You're trying to tell me that pages like apple, banana, cake, rabbit and I don't know what else just don't belong on this wiki, yet they are quite valid, as they have been shown.

Even the DC DATABASE, which I'd rather be more like than the DC Animated Universe or Smallville wiki; has pages for cats, dogs, horses and stuff like that. If it's referenced, or if it's shown, that makes it canon right? Is not Maurice a penguin just like Superman is a Kryptonian? So doesn't that make a page for penguins just as important?

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:19, October 3, 2017 (UTC)

Monobook
It doesn't look any different in Monobook but yes, when I switch over to WIKIA it does. I tend to stay in Monobook all the time because I can't get around to well in WIKIA as it's really difficult for me, just my preference, but yes it's really cool, and I like all the images. The font does look different in the articles but I can't tell the differences with the templates.

--Noah Tall (talk) 22:47, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Front page
Hey, I see what you did with the Templates, is that for the front page, I saw the addition of the Global Guardians and stuff. I like that...really cool.

--Noah Tall (talk) 00:03, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Batman images
We already have this page.

--Noah Tall (talk) 18:21, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Image categories
Believe it or not, I actually understand the image thing you're doing. I like it. I will follow suit.

--Noah Tall (talk) 18:25, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Funny, I've been a bit sick but I've been at work...I work nights at Dillons. That's a Kroger company where I live in Wichita. I'm a stocker...been there eleven years.

--Noah Tall (talk) 18:36, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

I just have a minor cold...I hope...

--Noah Tall (talk) 18:37, October 10, 2017 (UTC)

Penguin
Hey I didn't know if you knew this, you may have done it on purpose, but there's two images of Penguin on the main page. One from the comic and the other from the show.

If you meant to do that then never mind, I can see why you did, but on the other hand it seems a little weird...but no biggie.

--Noah Tall (talk) 16:33, October 12, 2017 (UTC)

Huh?
It came from a Super Powers comic...

I wouldn't have made it.

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:25, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

Here...
. It's an actual DC book, from Cave Carson Has a Cybernetic Eye.

Not only that but she's in DC Super Friends.

Super Powers figures
Nope missed that...uh...where do I begin...as I recall someone emailed me rather angrily telling me that everything on here from Super Powers Collection related pages was copied from his website. This was an exaduration though, I haven't heard from the guy in quite a while and I definitely am not worried about it anymore.

UPDATE: Okay I don't really understand, do you mean that the section wasn't going to have the list for images? That's fine with me. That's a lot of images to go through an categorize.

--Noah Tall (talk) 17:51, October 14, 2017 (UTC)

Batman gallery
Yep I saw it, really nice...I see it's linked to the Batman page too. Yeah I don't consider the Cave Carson stories themselves to be part of Earth-1A, but the backup stories at the end of the comic are Super Powers and I think they should be.

DC Super Friends is obviously another Earth.

--Noah Tall (talk) 13:18, October 15, 2017 (UTC)

Superman article
Beautiful...absolutely gorgeous...I love what you've done to the place!

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:50, October 21, 2017 (UTC)

Jimmy Olsen
It's all conjecture based upon the comics, no it was never revealed in canon.

--Noah Tall (talk) 19:26, October 22, 2017 (UTC)

I don't actually know if they do have different names...the names come from DC Comics, you'll see the external link on the bottom of the page. It's just conjecture based upon the fact that the Jimmy Olsen from the '60s series couldn't possibly be the same character from the '80s series, as he would be two decades older or so.

--Noah Tall (talk) 14:40, October 24, 2017 (UTC)

Timeline
Sounds good to me.

--Noah Tall (talk) 11:36, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

Right on
Right on...yes sir for sure. That thing you did with the distant past thing was what I was going for anyway.

--Noah Tall (talk) 14:37, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

Question
Not sure I understand the question, if you mean why in the 1st century article did I link the next century to the timeline rather than the 2nd century, is simply because there is no information regarding the second century and therefore I didn't see a reason to have a page for it.

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:39, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

Why did you put the "SuperFriends Timeline" section there? It's not that big of a deal I guess, but it gives it a real world feel that I always try to distance myself from.--Noah Tall (talk) 15:42, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

Changed the 1st century article, tell me what you think of it now.

I had another thought, maybe a timeline template would be beneficial.

1st century
Check this out, let me know what you think.

--Noah Tall (talk) 16:38, November 11, 2017 (UTC)

timeline
Right on, and I see your point too, which is why I changed it. It has a link to the 5th century.

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:40, November 12, 2017 (UTC)

Timeline
Yep. Thank you sir.

--Noah Tall (talk) 01:02, November 15, 2017 (UTC)

It's in the footnote
It's sited there.

--Noah Tall (talk) 11:34, November 15, 2017 (UTC)

I clarified it though so it wouldn't be as vague.

--Noah Tall (talk) 11:39, November 15, 2017 (UTC)

When did you last look at it...I changed it.

--Noah Tall (talk) 11:45, November 15, 2017 (UTC)

Green Arrow
Why did you change the Green Arrow page? That was from an actual canon source...at least it was more canon then what you have there which is clearly from DC Comics.

The only thing you left there was from Gulliver's Gigantic Goof.

--Noah Tall (talk) 04:15, November 18, 2017 (UTC)

Cave Carson Has a Cybernetic Eye isn't the thing I'm referring to, it's the Super Powers backup story that was in it. It was totally connected to Super Friends, and there was even the Evil Superman and the Wonder Twins and all manner of things linking it to the Super Friends universe.

As for the era that it was made, I don't see that as an issue either, as there are also '66 Batman comics now, and then the two animated films that are clearly in the '60s Batman TV show universe, with both Adam West and Burt Ward reprising their roles. Harley Quinn appeared in that too, and she is what you would refer to as a "Post-Crisis" character, if we were to use DC Comics terminology, which really is a moot point with the Super Friends since it doesn't have anything to do with that. It's just like my issue I've had with BruceGrubb, we don't need to worry about what the comics say, but rather the Super Friends franchise itself.

I see it like this, even if we are to say that particular Super Powers comic is not canon...wouldn't it at least be closer to canon then information from Earth-One? After all it's not Earth-One, it's Earth-1A, and there are differences. Now that being said I am fully aware that the Super Powers comic by Tom Scioli does in fact contradict the Wonder Twins origin story presented in a backup story of a Super Friends comic, that was noted in the Rua article. I wrote it like I did because I respect both sources as canon, and why shouldn't we? That's how it's done on the Doctor Who wiki, why should it be different here? The nice thing about hypertime is that it explains continuity issues...that's something that me and BruceGrubb at least agree on. I still don't see a reason for the Earth-Forty page but oh well...he does understand that hypertime is important to resolve continuity issues like this, that's why I made the page, although I don't know why he changed it to make it real world perspective and also more complicated then it has to be...

This is the entire concept of Hypertime...and it's presented in other works of fiction such as Back to the Future and Doctor Who (although not by that name)...others too I think but I can't think of it off of the top of my head...anyway...

Mark Waid described it as a river, with estuaries and so forth, and estuary or distributary represents branching off into another timeline. Basically that can happen when traveling forward (to the future) or backward (to the past) through time, but only in instances where significant alterations are made. Otherwise, one would have to travel sideways through time in order to traverse hypertime. (which BTW when you change history, you are moving sideways through time)

Remember when Doc Brown wrote on the chalkboard, he drew a diagonal line "sideways" into another timeline. This was created by Biff, going backward through time and changing an event in 1955, this creating a completely new timeline. Now, for a traditional time traveler, who can only travel forward or backward, it would be impossible to return to Timeline A, unless he were to succeed in changing that which was changed in 1955, but if one is to travel sideways in time, then...they can freely travel through hypertime, and thus, if desired, arrive at Timeline A.

Imagine this...despite the fact that the multiverse had mostly collapsed after the Crisis, hypertime allowed access to it, Earth-Two, which was gone, was accessible once again...but how is that possible you ask? How could an Earth that had been erased from the timeline be accessible? Easy...travel to the previous timeline...when it still did exist. Traveling sideways through time. That's what hypertime is. See what I mean?

Now...I hope you see what I mean, because now I'm going to explain it from the perspective of the Super Friends. There have been instances in the Super Friends where the timeline was changed, and it wasn't recovered to the original timeline...at least not completely.

For example, in Return of the Phantoms, Superman and Superboy meet each other. If that had happened in the original timeline, then Superman would have surely remembered Hul, Logar and Romlok because from his perspective, when he was Superboy would have been the first time they met.

Not to mention the fact that he should have also remembered his experience with meeting his older self. There is no indication that such an event occurred, which could have changed a number of things. What, we don't know...it's impossible to say, but anything between 1957-1983 could have been radically altered. Could it have altered the timeline enough that perhaps Samurai doesn't become a superhero until the mid-80s, when he is transformed into a superhero by the New Gods? Maybe not, but maybe so. And then again there are many other factors to consider. Many other times that time travel occurred in Super Friends...it's speculation, but it is a good point.

And as for the profanity? Well...I really don't know what to say about that. I mean Super Friends was a product of the seventies on Saturday morning; essentially a kid's show, so of course it didn't have profanity; but that's more just because it couldn't because of the medium. I see that as an issue of censorship more than anything. I mean Superfriends and every cartoon of the '70s was far more strict then cartoons of the sixties, as you'll note that the Filmation cartoons were far more violent, with punching and also even shooting with realistic weapons, that actually fired bullets rather than lasers. Characters even died in multiple episodes. But even then, they weren't as violent as the Superman cartoons of the '40s.

I'd chalk that all up to just being a product of its' time. I mean if you remember Star Trek TOS. The City on the Edge of Forever had Kirk say: "Let's get the hell outta here." And that was about as profane as it got, but the films used "shit," "green-blooded son of bitch" and even more. I don't think that's something to worry about really. The articles I write are generally free of bad language. At least on this wiki...obviously it depends on the article, as there is an article on Memory Alpha called "colorful metaphor" that is just for that, but I'm not going to drop f-bombs and stuff on this wiki, assuming that is what you are worried about.

--Noah Tall (talk) 20:30, November 18, 2017 (UTC)

Okay cool...I do respect the reason you use Earth-One. Actually I wasn't really talking about the Background Information section I meant the bio itself, which you do have the Gulliver part of it in there.

Anyway that's cool. I might mention though, that the whole Earth-1B thing was just something that I made up, not taken from any canon source whatsoever, I just made it up to clear up mainly the misconception about Samurai's origin story, but now I don't really see it as being as big of a deal because 1) we have hypertime as a reasoning point, and 2) I have been trying to write the articles from the perspective of someone from the far future. Which makes sense when you think about it since we have articles about the 40th century and so on. I wrote the Rua article in such a way that suggested that there were to contradictory accounts about her. It made sense, because we can imagine that if Lightning Lad is writing an article about her in the thirtieth century, he may only be able to go by the information he has on record, and just like mythology, it has a tendency to be contradictory.

But if you like Earth-1B I guess we could use it...I just don't prefer it as it was just something I'd made up at the time and decided I thought it was not a good idea later.

And actually, only volume three of Super Powers, as well as Tom Scioli's Super Powers have inconsistencies from the rest of the franchise...the other stuff could actually fit with the overall timeline of Superfriends. But just let me know what you prefer.

--Noah Tall (talk) 16:04, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

Hey
That's Chameleon Boy. He's a Durlan. I totally forgot he was in that comic...that's literally his only appearance in that comic right?

Anywho...yes sir. As for Black Canary...no idea...I remember talking to someone about that over at the DC Database but I don't remember who, as I recall the "retcon" was actually explained in-story, and it didn't really make her younger I don't think, it just turned out she was the daughter of Larry Lance, rather than the wife. Her mother was Dinah Drake Lance, not Dinah Laurel Lance, and Dinah Drake was the JSA version of Black Canary. The girl that migrated to Earth-One was Dinah Laurel. Of course this may not be right, but that's how I recall it. That's basically what you got there. I don't know the issue number though, but I bet it was a JLA comic.

--Noah Tall (talk) 15:42, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Dude I keep forgetting about your message. I'm guessing I was half asleep when I read it the first time because I only just now think I understand your question, but I'm not sure...are you asking what issue established that the Black Canary from Earth-Two that migrated to Earth-One was actually the daughter, not the original Golden Age "Dinah Drake" Black Canary?

If that's your question, this is that comic. This is the first appearance of Dinah Laurel, but when it was originally written it was intended to be Dinah Drake, and as you know the writers realized that couldn't work, so finally by issue number 219-220 (the two part story, you have 220 linked already) it is canonically established that she's the daughter.

But anyway, I hope that answers your question, also I never heard from you about why you don't want to use material from the Anti-drug commercial (1983-1984) for the Changling page you made. It was actually as far as the canceled New Teen Titans animated series got, which was an actual spinoff of Super Friends, and the evidence is everywhere, for one thing Robin isn't in the show because as Marv Wolfman stated, he was "busy in the Superfriends." And other than Robin not being in it, which is understandable at that point, since he'd be older anyway, the cartoon is practically a direct adaptation virtually identical to the New Teen Titans comics of that time, which were Pre-Crisis Earth-One, which you always vouch for. They weren't retcons, just further adventures of the same characters, with new characters added, like Cyborg, Starfire and Raven. Even if you are unable to accept it as canon due to Robin's absence, I don't see how that should matter since it was just one commercial and he could have just been off on a mission with Batman, or with the Superfriends. Heck, he may be sleeping in do to an all-nighter with the Batman Family! Robin's a busy guy you know, Lol!

--Noah Tall (talk) 10:11, November 22, 2017 (UTC)

No that's not right. This is what I've been trying to tell you...there is only one Earth-One...the Post-Crisis is New Earth. That comic you shown me is the retconned origin story but it has nothing to do with anything prior to 1985.

EDIT: Here, this might help. There's this Earth-One and there's this Earth-1. The second one I showed you wasn't shown until the 2000s so it doesn't have anything to do with those. The other Earth that the comic you shown to me takes place in isn't any Earth-One, it's New Earth (or Earth-Zero). New Earth was a combination of; among others, Earth-Two and Earth-One. The two were merged during the Crisis on Infinite Earths which happened in 1985.

The commercial came out in 1983. In the comics of that time, Earth-One was its' own universe, it hadn't been merged with other Earths yet therefore it wasn't retconned.

EDIT: Also on the disambiguation page it says that the Changeling page from the commercial was from Prime Earth. Once again, that's not even the same Earth as New Earth. That's this Earth, completely different universe introduced during The New 52.

EDIT: The only way it would make sense to say that the Titans commercial wasn't part of Earth-1A is to say that SuperFriends: The Legendary Super Powers Show and The Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians are also not part of Earth-1A...and that makes no sense at all.

--Noah Tall (talk) 01:30, November 23, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not really sure I understand your question. Everything from the '70s to the mid '80s followed the same universe within the Titans family of books. E. Nelson Bridwell wanted the Super Friends stories to be Earth-One, I do understand what you are saying...but like I said, in 1983 it was still Earth-One. You see what I mean, there was no retconning of anything until the Crisis on Infinite Earths, and that didn't "change" Earth-One, it eliminated it completely, merging it with other Earths to create New Earth.

Infinite Crisis came out in the 2000s. That was different Crisis. There was no retcon prior to the Crisis on Infinite Earths. That comic that you showed me was set in the New Earth universe, which was directly after the 1985-1986's Crisis on Infinite Earths.

The age of the characters never changed...it doesn't really make sense, but they just never really changed. I'm pretty sure all of the characters were still teenagers even in the '80s. When you think about it, this isn't too surprising, how long was Superboy's comic? 30 years? And he's still Superboy in thirty years? Crazy I know but that's just what I call "comic book time." The characters really didn't age, not until later on in "The New Teen Titans," when Robin became Nightwing.

Between the Titans referenced in the Super Friends comic and the commercial there was no change in continuity in the comic books, no retcons of any kind. This didn't happen until the Earths were merged into one Earth, New Earth. So as for adhering to Bridwell's original vision for the franchise, I don't see how it doesn't, because it's the same thing. And even if it wasn't, their origin is only conjecture based upon the comics, as the only material we have to go by is a thirty second long commercial and a reference from a SF comic. But even that doesn't matter because the commercial is clearly inspired by Earth-One.

Also, if we were to adhere to Bridwell's vision completely, we would be contradicting stuff that was eventually established in the cartoon. Like for example, Cyborg becoming a member of the Justice League, never happened in Earth-One or even New Earth. That didn't actually occur in the comics until Prime Earth, in 2011. There are things about the Earth-1A that are considerably different than Earth-One, and not just the multicultural heroes.

I'm totally for writing the articles that it applies to as from the Earth-One perspective, but it can't work for all of them, like Captain Marvel was never on Earth-One for example. Anyway I hope that makes sense, but like I said I'm not one hundred percent sure that I understood your question.

I think that Teen Titans the article is fine as is, we don't need a "New Teen Titans" article because it's the same team. The comic was called New Teen Titans but the team wasn't. As for the early '80s members of the team...they were all originally introduced on Earth-One so there's no problem there. Like I said, it's the same continuity all around, no retcon no reboot nor origin story changes or anything of any kind.

--Noah Tall (talk) 14:01, November 26, 2017 (UTC)

They disbanded in 1978 and then came back together two years later. Same continuity. It's not some retcon.

Here is the first issue that is a retcon. This is when the Teen Titans truly became retconned, which is after the Crisis.

--Noah Tall (talk) 08:48, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

What page was you referring to to make the information about the reunion of the Teen Titans?

As for using retconned stuff, yeah as I said, the only stuff I use comes from Superfriends or at least Superfriends material, so none of it should be retconned. If you're talking about stuff like Post-Crisis stuff and things like that I think that just depends on what is referenced.

I like to think of everything as being from the perspective of the Super Friends universe, and yes, I think that the cartoons and Super Friends comics and Super Powers comics are a part of it, most of that resembles Earth-One, but that's not a rule, and as such I don't think we should stick to it like it's a religion, because at times there are things that don't mesh up to the "real" Earth-One, and to ignore all the other stuff would be to pretend it didn't happen and that's not fair. I don't see the Super Friends comics as being more canon than the cartoon, but rather as equals.

The only thing I'm fairly certain we could dismiss as being canon, or at least semi-canon is at least some of the Super Amigos and DC Heroes material. The rest I don't see why. Like if you take the Superman (TV series) for example, it's mainly a Pre-Crisis-ish version of Superman, and there are even a couple actors from the Super Friends that reprised their roles. The only Post-Crisis element of the show is that Luthor was a businessman. That's only because he "reformed in the public eye," and no that wasn't specifically stated, but both Superman and Lois Lane knew from episode one, that Luthor was actually an evil genius, but he plays it up as if he reformed, and now it's a matter a proving he's bad.

I also view the Filmation programs as canon as well, and Legends of the Superheroes. But as for stuff in the "Background Information," I rarely write those much anyway, that seems to be your forte, I'm not that great at it, and I prefer to write what is established in the canon.

And another thing, when you say canon, you are referring to the Super Friends Universe alone right? Because I did notice that you changed the Known Universes page, marking some as non-canon. I don't think any universe should be considered "Non-canon," as they exist in their own respective continuities, I understand that some of them or maybe all of them never crossed over with the SF universe, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Not a big deal, just strange to me.

Anyway I've been super busy at work and I apologize for taking so long to get back to you, yeah I don't have a problem with the Teen Titans pages you've made, I think they're fine because like you said, you're thinking of the Earth-One perspective, since there's little to go on. Like I saw that you had the Malcolm Duncan page and stuff like that. I don't mind using Earth-One pictures for their pages if nothing else is available, as it would be better than New Earth images or something like that, but I prefer to use Earth-1A (or something SF related) when we can. I don't think there's anything else available though so that's fine with me.

Take Mon-El for example, the picture I have their is from a Portuguese Super Powers comic, that's because to my knowledge, there's no other picture of him within the canon, and that's about as close to canon as it gets, even though that might not count since it's a foreign comic. Nevertheless, I think characters like that are important since we have the Legion of Super-Heroes. But anyway, just giving an example, as for the Changeling page, I'd rather have just one, perhaps a portion of the article could be about the drug bust shown in the commercial. In all honesty the page you made is better, far more detailed and that kind of stuff.

And yeah, I realize there's somethings in commercials that can't be totally canon, like in the 1982 Post Cereal Advertisement when the Super Friends break the fourth wall and stuff like that, but I think that Icicle and stuff like that deserve their page since they are there. (Even DC Database has the Super Friends Icicle).

I can't really think of anything else, but yeah, that's pretty much my views on the canon and stuff. I do respect E. Nelson Bridwell's vision, but I hope you don't mean we should ignore everything else that contradicts Earth-One, because that would be among other things, some parts of the Super Friends series itself.

EDIT: Just want to reiterate this, the work you do is fantastic and I couldn't ask for a better editor. Keeping me on my toes and stuff. Still a ton of crap on this wiki that needs to be cleaned up (siting sources etc) and I do sometimes get around to it when I'm not working on something else...I haven't forgotten.

--Noah Tall (talk) 20:38, November 30, 2017 (UTC)

Jimmy Olsen etc.
The whole Jimmy Olsen thing was done just out of conjecture based upon the comics.

I feel like the show fits into the canon quite well, except for the fact that Jimmy would be twenty-years older and he clearly is a teenager in the '80s series. It seemed to me like to big of an issue to be explained by hypertime so I just thought maybe he was a different character (although I doubt that was intentional). Both are named James after all, and one of them has green eyes while the other has blue, so I just went with that as a way to rationalize it.

I realize that's just conjecture and if you don't like that idea we can definitely merge it back, but it just didn't make sense to me otherwise. It's kind of how we put the Filmation shows in the timeline if you remember, in order for Robin to still be fairly young as late as 1985 we had to say that the episodes we about two years after the airdate.

Actually I've also made adjustments to the timeline related to the setting of season 1 of Super Friends, since Marvin and Wendy's age didn't fit in with the Super Friends comics and especially the All-New Super Friends Hour. I have season one dated circa 1976 instead of 1973. Again, this is conjecture, but it's the only way it makes sense.

Anyway, the New Teen Titans page was for the cartoon, I never made it with the intention of it being a separate page, I thought you meant a team page, but if you mean we should do the Earth-One background info on that page okay...is that what you want?

As for Doctor Fate, I made that page a long time ago so my memory is not so well. I don't think we really need two pages. I think the Doctor Fate toy came before the Super Powers comic did, and that was what he was based on, as New Earth didn't exist yet at that time, unless it was in 1986, but if it was, that continuity would have been brand new, and Doctor Fate wasn't a member of the Justice League until '88 or '89. It's possible that he had an Earth-One doppleganger, but still, I think you're right, two pages are not needed as we can separate the articles in one page.

And thank you too for your hard work.

--Noah Tall (talk) 17:33, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Right on.

Batman page
Hmm...I don't know...which do you prefer? I really usually try and keep the Earth-One stuff in the Background section, but I don't really think it should be a rule for every page. Only thing is, with Batman, that's a page that could potentially have a lot of material in it, and I wonder just how crammed it would be. That's my only thought on that, not that it's that big of a deal.

--Noah Tall (talk) 14:58, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

Has the world of Super-friends been destroyed?

Monobook look
I used to be able to set my preferences to Monobook but now I can only do the New Wikia look.

I don't like it and its' more difficult for me to use. I guess they finally made the transition. I didn't realize we wouldn't be able to use the Monobook anymore with our preferences.

That sucks.

--Noah Tall (talk) 20:23, May 27, 2018 (UTC)

Yes sir, and you do good work, it looks great.

I'm just not a fan of the overall look of wikis...my opinion is the same for all other wikis too.

I like the "Explore" icon though that helps me get to things better. Somethings are a bit slower like with editing. But I'll adapt I'm sure.

--Noah Tall (talk) 13:05, May 29, 2018 (UTC)